My initial thought on the E-ATX design of this mobo. They put enough thought to recess the bulky 90 degree 24pin power connector on a really long mobo. However, they left the USB-C internal header a regular 0 degree, and gave it a trench in the plastic? Oh Gigabyte, don't ever change.Reply
I would love to own a Z790 Aorus Xtreme, but my limits just gotten pushed again when I tanked-up twenty dollars worth of gas—about 2 and a half gallons—at the Chevron gas station on Cesar Chavez Ave at the intersection of Alameda Street in downtown Los Angeles. I am just a poor PC enthusiast Bro and there are now thousands like me trying to making over the daily rounds. Thus my hardware for the past several years has always been bought at the weekend local computer shows and over the folding tables. Mostly new if even possible but several (3-4) generational ago parts for my hobbled together EATX case. No sales tax and cash remains king for the real good deals! We are living in challenging times. Moving to Montana is now in my dreams.Reply
nowadays, your Thermal inspection should have an SSD gen 5 thermal inspection as well. as those newest SSD are quite hot. add to the fact that most M.2 PCIE5 connectors are above the GPU and below to the CPU, this is a recipe for disaster, as you can't use a better SSD HS, rather only the one provided by the motherboard manufacture, i mean you can but it probably limit your GPU or CPU HS size.Reply
Stopped caring about Gigabyte when they start to include the retarded "Killer" wifi. They can fuck off together with Dell and whoever else sells that shite.Reply
The wireless adapters that Killer NICs ultimately use are typically bog standard Intel hardware which is reliable and generally uses decent drivers. That was absolutely not the case before the Intel acquisition, but as you rightfully point out, that isn't a factor.
What IS a factor now is the markup for Killer software which is pitched as making your pings lower by giving game packets priority when deciding which to send first. That impacts only the outbound packet traffic and only until it reaches an apathetic home router or your first ISP router where no one gives any priority. So of the potentially hundreds or thousands of miles of cable and dozens of pieces of routing equipment between your PC and a destination, you impact the first 30m or less and only on the outbound side since return trip packets arrive in the order in which they arrive regardless of what a local network adapter might articulate as important. That's the trouble with Killer NICs. There is no actual benefit and no good reason for the branding to continue to exist. At best, its harmless and at worst, the added software layer that processes and pointlessly allocates priority to game traffic is a liability in terms of CPU utilization and added code complexity.
Don't buy into the Ian Cutress baloney. He had a published friendship with ages old Killer personnel and abused his position at Anandtech to boost their products back in 2016. They are not and have never been measurably beneficial to the end user even under Intel's care as they are now.Reply
> As it stands, this is one of the most high-end integrated audio solutions we've seen on a motherboard
Hmm no mention that ALC4082 is one of those garbage USB audio solutions. I had no idea that was a thing until getting my Asus Z690 mini itx board and finding out that this stuff is indeed trash.Reply
Well it's good enough for beeps and boops, while the real audiophiles are running an external solution via a fiber connection for the purest "0" and "1"'s one can buy.Reply
That's a very niche audience wanting to have this board, is it not? All that I/O could make for a decent workstation, but then the PCI-E is all messed up just to have those TB connectors. On a workstation I'd want a PCI-E card with 4 or so NVMe SSDs on it and the appropriate throughput.
I just find it strange to limit the PCI-E bus for the sake of having all those onboard things. PCI-E lets the user pick what they need and then put it on the bus. All that onboard is great with a real workstation chipset that has endless lanes coming from the CPU, but this....?!??!Reply
Place the blame on Intel for killing HEDT, and pretty harshly constraining CPU PCIe lanes on desktop/consumer CPUs. Your complaint about onboard components is somewhat moot when there's only a total of 20 CPU lanes to start with, and 16 of those are probably going to a GPU, 4 to an NVMe device, probably through a switch.Reply
"Great thermals"? They'd better be. As this Raptor Lake "refresh" appears to be mostly another clock speed increase like the prior edition. Back in it's day, Alder Lake was a formidable challenge to Ryzen when it launched. But it seems these "refreshes" are going to have even more demanding thermals, generate more heat, and require very effective cooling solutions to keep it in check. Great space heaters as winter is coming :)Reply
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meacupla - Tuesday, September 5, 2023 - link
My initial thought on the E-ATX design of this mobo.They put enough thought to recess the bulky 90 degree 24pin power connector on a really long mobo. However, they left the USB-C internal header a regular 0 degree, and gave it a trench in the plastic?
Oh Gigabyte, don't ever change. Reply
DanNeely - Tuesday, September 5, 2023 - link
Obviously the USB-C header was a last minute addition. Replyshabby - Tuesday, September 5, 2023 - link
Lol @ the price, glws gigabyte 😂 ReplyTheinsanegamerN - Tuesday, September 5, 2023 - link
$800. Christ.I remember when you could get asrock taichi x470 boards with 10g ethernet for $349, and I thought that was pricy. Reply
Threska - Tuesday, September 5, 2023 - link
So only the upper class will be buying these? Middle class barely exists, and the poor..., oh well. ReplyTom Sunday - Sunday, September 10, 2023 - link
I would love to own a Z790 Aorus Xtreme, but my limits just gotten pushed again when I tanked-up twenty dollars worth of gas—about 2 and a half gallons—at the Chevron gas station on Cesar Chavez Ave at the intersection of Alameda Street in downtown Los Angeles. I am just a poor PC enthusiast Bro and there are now thousands like me trying to making over the daily rounds. Thus my hardware for the past several years has always been bought at the weekend local computer shows and over the folding tables. Mostly new if even possible but several (3-4) generational ago parts for my hobbled together EATX case. No sales tax and cash remains king for the real good deals! We are living in challenging times. Moving to Montana is now in my dreams. Replymeacupla - Tuesday, September 5, 2023 - link
No one is forcing you to buy this mobo.Taichi x470 Ultimate didn't have PCIe 5.0, DDR5 or 2xTB4 on top of 10gbe Reply
Aspernari - Saturday, September 9, 2023 - link
A 10G Ethernet adapter is probably one of the lowest-cost components on this board. You can get a 4 port 10GbE NIC for under $100 retail. ReplyGillll - Tuesday, September 5, 2023 - link
nowadays, your Thermal inspection should have an SSD gen 5 thermal inspection as well. as those newest SSD are quite hot. add to the fact that most M.2 PCIE5 connectors are above the GPU and below to the CPU, this is a recipe for disaster, as you can't use a better SSD HS, rather only the one provided by the motherboard manufacture, i mean you can but it probably limit your GPU or CPU HS size. Replyblingon - Tuesday, September 5, 2023 - link
Reads like AI generated marketing copy fed with a starting term of "premium". ReplyPeachNCream - Tuesday, September 5, 2023 - link
At that price, I'm sure there will be several morons that will be proud to display their ignorance by purchasing one. Replytimecop1818 - Wednesday, September 6, 2023 - link
Stopped caring about Gigabyte when they start to include the retarded "Killer" wifi. They can fuck off together with Dell and whoever else sells that shite. ReplyZoolook - Wednesday, September 6, 2023 - link
Who uses Wifi on a desktop with 10Gb, other as an emergency, though I'm with you on the "Killer" wifi feelings in general. ReplyAspernari - Saturday, September 9, 2023 - link
Yeah. Intel Wireless is known to be crap... Wait, no...Killer has been owned by Intel for a few years now. Reply
PeachNCream - Monday, September 11, 2023 - link
The wireless adapters that Killer NICs ultimately use are typically bog standard Intel hardware which is reliable and generally uses decent drivers. That was absolutely not the case before the Intel acquisition, but as you rightfully point out, that isn't a factor.What IS a factor now is the markup for Killer software which is pitched as making your pings lower by giving game packets priority when deciding which to send first. That impacts only the outbound packet traffic and only until it reaches an apathetic home router or your first ISP router where no one gives any priority. So of the potentially hundreds or thousands of miles of cable and dozens of pieces of routing equipment between your PC and a destination, you impact the first 30m or less and only on the outbound side since return trip packets arrive in the order in which they arrive regardless of what a local network adapter might articulate as important. That's the trouble with Killer NICs. There is no actual benefit and no good reason for the branding to continue to exist. At best, its harmless and at worst, the added software layer that processes and pointlessly allocates priority to game traffic is a liability in terms of CPU utilization and added code complexity.
Don't buy into the Ian Cutress baloney. He had a published friendship with ages old Killer personnel and abused his position at Anandtech to boost their products back in 2016. They are not and have never been measurably beneficial to the end user even under Intel's care as they are now. Reply
timecop1818 - Wednesday, September 6, 2023 - link
> As it stands, this is one of the most high-end integrated audio solutions we've seen on a motherboardHmm no mention that ALC4082 is one of those garbage USB audio solutions. I had no idea that was a thing until getting my Asus Z690 mini itx board and finding out that this stuff is indeed trash. Reply
Threska - Wednesday, September 6, 2023 - link
Well it's good enough for beeps and boops, while the real audiophiles are running an external solution via a fiber connection for the purest "0" and "1"'s one can buy. Replyhansmuff - Wednesday, September 6, 2023 - link
That's a very niche audience wanting to have this board, is it not? All that I/O could make for a decent workstation, but then the PCI-E is all messed up just to have those TB connectors. On a workstation I'd want a PCI-E card with 4 or so NVMe SSDs on it and the appropriate throughput.I just find it strange to limit the PCI-E bus for the sake of having all those onboard things. PCI-E lets the user pick what they need and then put it on the bus. All that onboard is great with a real workstation chipset that has endless lanes coming from the CPU, but this....?!??! Reply
Aspernari - Saturday, September 9, 2023 - link
Place the blame on Intel for killing HEDT, and pretty harshly constraining CPU PCIe lanes on desktop/consumer CPUs. Your complaint about onboard components is somewhat moot when there's only a total of 20 CPU lanes to start with, and 16 of those are probably going to a GPU, 4 to an NVMe device, probably through a switch. ReplyChaser - Thursday, September 7, 2023 - link
"Great thermals"? They'd better be. As this Raptor Lake "refresh" appears to be mostly another clock speed increase like the prior edition. Back in it's day, Alder Lake was a formidable challenge to Ryzen when it launched. But it seems these "refreshes" are going to have even more demanding thermals, generate more heat, and require very effective cooling solutions to keep it in check. Great space heaters as winter is coming :) Reply