Smaller GPUs are a nice idea, but its pretty clear space savings has limits due to the various competitive and technological forces that drive a company like MSI into marketing something that requires 3 slots of space (because really, slimmer or not, using the 3rd slot for expansion is just as unrealistic with "2.5" slots of width as it is with 3) as "slim" which just demonstrates one element of how stupid and pointless it is to chase PC performance.
Buy a PC that does your PC chores and keep the games manageable by said hardware. Get a console or play games on your phone. There are lots that need no obnoxica-level graphics processor and CPU combo that turns your computer into a space heater.Reply
The half slot of space does give better air flow if there's a card 2 slots below it; but overall I agree that making it a bit thicker and either being no taller than a standard card or a bit shorter instead would have been a better tradeoff.Reply
Some ultra compact cases, like the Fractal Terra, have acoustic benefits when the fan isn't sitting right next to the side panel. gamersnexus review covers it.
Now, having said that, Zotac already sells a 2.5 slot 4070Ti, and 2 slot 4060Ti. They are the exact same thing MSI is trying to sell. Between Zotac and MSI GPUs, I feel like it is a toss up in terms of quality.Reply
My take is compact video cards should have blowers. It will require a most custom PCB, possibly mounting some smaller components on the rear side, and potentially lengthening the card, but it will actually makes the product "slim" because the fan will not be surface-mounted, but rear-mounted.
And for the applications these smaller cards are designed, a blower is more realistic since these cards will likely find a home in a tiny ITX-style case with airflow challenges for the heat these cards generate. Exhausting heat out the back solves that.
I don't understand why blower coolers disappeared. Yes, they're louder, but functionally superior in almost every way to axial fans.Reply
In general, yes blowers seem to make more sense. One is required to vent hot air versus up to three fans to accomplish the same chore in an open air HSF. It's still disappointing to see computer components require so much power and work so inefficiently that they need three slots worth of case volume and multiple fans to even operate. Kinda sucks we can't run a good performing PC on only 100 - 200W at full load. The industry is stupidly wasteful in (brace for the inevitable stupid automotive comparison) the same way most of the United States drives one person around in a gigantic truck that hauls no cargo or a huge SUV that hauls no people. Self-invented non-necessity drives a lot of the inhospitable places we now live in with an absence of adequate resources and most people seem blind to it and would rather go forward with pooping out more children like mindless drones.Reply
I'd say these cards are actually true wonders of efficiency, it's just that the quest for more realism and resolution eat all the power savings and then some, ...because it can be done.
The only way to get things back into proportion is to have people sit on a bycicle-power-generator and leg in all the gaming power they consume...
The industry serves the people who buy product, so faulting them alone is not looking in the mirror.Reply
The only way? That's a logical fallacy to say the least, but if that sort of thing helps you sleep better at night in the soiled cage we all share then by all means do continue to live in an alternate reality.Reply
While he does seem to have had a day, the point isn't wrong. People are more wasteful than ever, and the industries we support capitalize on that, be it technology or transportation. Things were getting so efficient through the 90's and 2000's, from PC's to vehicles, while now we have taken steps backwards by grossly oversizing everything.Reply
I use PNY Verto cards to save on slot space, 3 for the 4090 and 2 for the 4070, the latter also shorter with only 2 fans, none with LEDs or other frills.
I tend to swap bottleneck parts not build from scratch so cases are "ancient" and packed, but it's also the theoretical ability to use multiple GPUs for CUDA which has me favor space economy.
At least PNY doesn't charge extra for that and I've not noticed any noise penalties.Reply
That full size 4070 TI is bigger than my 3090 FTW3, which is definitely not a small card.
The "slim" model is the same length as the FTW3, and only somewhat thinner in the other two dimensions... But still too big for a Node 202 without modification.
This is crazy. The ATX standard needs to change. Maybe GPU PCBs can run parallel to to the motherboard with a standard heatsink mount like CPUs get.Reply
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boozed - Wednesday, August 30, 2023 - link
2.5 slots is "slim". American sizing. Replymeacupla - Wednesday, August 30, 2023 - link
They are like Slim jeans, except in 5XL size. ReplyPeachNCream - Thursday, August 31, 2023 - link
Smaller GPUs are a nice idea, but its pretty clear space savings has limits due to the various competitive and technological forces that drive a company like MSI into marketing something that requires 3 slots of space (because really, slimmer or not, using the 3rd slot for expansion is just as unrealistic with "2.5" slots of width as it is with 3) as "slim" which just demonstrates one element of how stupid and pointless it is to chase PC performance.Buy a PC that does your PC chores and keep the games manageable by said hardware. Get a console or play games on your phone. There are lots that need no obnoxica-level graphics processor and CPU combo that turns your computer into a space heater. Reply
DanNeely - Thursday, August 31, 2023 - link
The half slot of space does give better air flow if there's a card 2 slots below it; but overall I agree that making it a bit thicker and either being no taller than a standard card or a bit shorter instead would have been a better tradeoff. Replymeacupla - Friday, September 1, 2023 - link
Some ultra compact cases, like the Fractal Terra, have acoustic benefits when the fan isn't sitting right next to the side panel. gamersnexus review covers it.Now, having said that, Zotac already sells a 2.5 slot 4070Ti, and 2 slot 4060Ti. They are the exact same thing MSI is trying to sell. Between Zotac and MSI GPUs, I feel like it is a toss up in terms of quality. Reply
Samus - Saturday, September 2, 2023 - link
My take is compact video cards should have blowers. It will require a most custom PCB, possibly mounting some smaller components on the rear side, and potentially lengthening the card, but it will actually makes the product "slim" because the fan will not be surface-mounted, but rear-mounted.And for the applications these smaller cards are designed, a blower is more realistic since these cards will likely find a home in a tiny ITX-style case with airflow challenges for the heat these cards generate. Exhausting heat out the back solves that.
I don't understand why blower coolers disappeared. Yes, they're louder, but functionally superior in almost every way to axial fans. Reply
PeachNCream - Saturday, September 2, 2023 - link
In general, yes blowers seem to make more sense. One is required to vent hot air versus up to three fans to accomplish the same chore in an open air HSF. It's still disappointing to see computer components require so much power and work so inefficiently that they need three slots worth of case volume and multiple fans to even operate. Kinda sucks we can't run a good performing PC on only 100 - 200W at full load. The industry is stupidly wasteful in (brace for the inevitable stupid automotive comparison) the same way most of the United States drives one person around in a gigantic truck that hauls no cargo or a huge SUV that hauls no people. Self-invented non-necessity drives a lot of the inhospitable places we now live in with an absence of adequate resources and most people seem blind to it and would rather go forward with pooping out more children like mindless drones. Replyabufrejoval - Monday, September 4, 2023 - link
Boy, sure seems you had a bad day...I'd say these cards are actually true wonders of efficiency, it's just that the quest for more realism and resolution eat all the power savings and then some, ...because it can be done.
The only way to get things back into proportion is to have people sit on a bycicle-power-generator and leg in all the gaming power they consume...
The industry serves the people who buy product, so faulting them alone is not looking in the mirror. Reply
PeachNCream - Monday, September 4, 2023 - link
The only way? That's a logical fallacy to say the least, but if that sort of thing helps you sleep better at night in the soiled cage we all share then by all means do continue to live in an alternate reality. ReplySamus - Monday, September 11, 2023 - link
While he does seem to have had a day, the point isn't wrong. People are more wasteful than ever, and the industries we support capitalize on that, be it technology or transportation. Things were getting so efficient through the 90's and 2000's, from PC's to vehicles, while now we have taken steps backwards by grossly oversizing everything. ReplyDante Verizon - Thursday, August 31, 2023 - link
That's not slim in any of the other parallel realities... ReplyHifihedgehog - Thursday, August 31, 2023 - link
Check again. Specifically, the mirror universe where Spock has a beard… ReplyJad77 - Sunday, September 3, 2023 - link
Yeah, smaller is somewhat more appealing... not enough to overcome sticker shock or a free game as an 'incentive'. Nvidia sucks. Replyabufrejoval - Monday, September 4, 2023 - link
I use PNY Verto cards to save on slot space, 3 for the 4090 and 2 for the 4070, the latter also shorter with only 2 fans, none with LEDs or other frills.I tend to swap bottleneck parts not build from scratch so cases are "ancient" and packed, but it's also the theoretical ability to use multiple GPUs for CUDA which has me favor space economy.
At least PNY doesn't charge extra for that and I've not noticed any noise penalties. Reply
brucethemoose - Monday, September 4, 2023 - link
That full size 4070 TI is bigger than my 3090 FTW3, which is definitely not a small card.The "slim" model is the same length as the FTW3, and only somewhat thinner in the other two dimensions... But still too big for a Node 202 without modification.
This is crazy. The ATX standard needs to change. Maybe GPU PCBs can run parallel to to the motherboard with a standard heatsink mount like CPUs get. Reply
Dante Verizon - Tuesday, September 5, 2023 - link
Right... It should be next to the dimension where companies deliver exactly what they advertise in their marketing. Reply